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As Stack Exchange plans to expand advertising to this site, staff says:

Thanks entirely to the efforts of your community, this site has become an amazing resource on the internet. Generating revenue from non-technology sites will enable us to dedicate more resources to meeting your needs so this is good news.

I asked what exactly this means, and got this response:

We'll know more as we go further down the line on this experiment. However, I'm interested in knowing what suggestions you have in particular!

Okay, so: let's put what we need here.

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    I have some suggestions I'd initially posted as a big list that I'm going to make individual answers here. Please vote on ones you like (or don't), and add your own. – mattdm Jun 9 at 20:20
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    Also: what's a "community of practice"? Read this! – mattdm Jun 10 at 20:25
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    I do think non-technical, art-related question would be good, but I don't like this "community of practice" concept because it means questions about earplugs and shoes are on-topic, but food is off-topic. – xiota Jun 11 at 3:49
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Some way to automatically handle "What's this effect?" questions.

So many people come in expecting that an example they like was the result of some digital filter or app. This then requires a tedious process where we try to divine what exact thing they're actually looking to do, and then usually explaining that there's not a magic app for that.

The usual result is that the question asker is unhappy ("ugh, why won't these jerks just answer my question") and the people trying to help are also unfulfilled because the asker runs off and never gives any further feedback.

I don't have a solution, but there's gotta be some better way. At the very least, automatic guidance pointing to the linked meta-question would help.

See also Can we add some way to semi-automatically add a "please DESCRIBE your desired effect" block to _those_ questions?

  • This is a wonderful example of a situation where the community can come up with it's own standards and plans to address these issues. I would encourage you to post this on Meta and have others chime in with ideas. Let's distill some thoughts and create something to address this moving forward. – Juan M Jun 10 at 14:37
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    @JuanM That's kind of a disappointing response. I encourage you to actually read the linked-to question already posted on Meta, and to also dip into other existing discussion about it here. – mattdm Jun 10 at 15:14
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    See also this where it looked like we were going to get some attention and then it vanished. – mattdm Jun 10 at 16:09
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    SO has a guided new question process...can we not get something similar? – Hueco Jun 13 at 15:32
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    Suggestion: How about making these types of questions their own specific close reason. The text of the close reason could link to the "what's this effect" meta question, and how to improve the question so it can be re-opened. – scottbb Jun 17 at 16:33
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    @scottbb I think that's a good idea, but as I understand the system now our only possibility for custom close reasons are all under the heading "off-topic". These questions are on topic, just in need of guidance, and I think starting by closing them as off-topic would be confusing. – mattdm Jun 19 at 13:37
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Tooling to help do more general photo critique rather than focusing on specific technical problems. Possibly even a separate sub-site just for this. See Counter-Proposal: Leave contest on meta. Add critiques to main site (Note that nothing came of this.)

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Some better handling (and possibly automatic migration for) programming and computer vision and measurement questions which use cameras but are not about photography.

This is a constant struggle precisely because of Stack Exchange's engineering bias, and then we get people coming in angry that we're not receptive to those questions. We should both a) make this line more clear and b) have a better place to send them.

See Request: Change "using photographic equipment" to "using photographic equipment (in the context of photography)" for more links and background detail.

  • Recent example where everyone's time was basically just wasted: photo.stackexchange.com/questions/108831/… – mattdm Jun 10 at 16:22
  • Most of these questions come from new users, so an SO style guided new question process may also work for this. – Hueco Jun 13 at 15:37
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I flagged this for a moderator to mark as "featured", and it took over a week for that flag to be reviewed, Soooo one thing we could maybe use is a couple of more active moderators. (I'm not saying the moderators we have are bad. They're just not as active as at some other Stack Exchange sites, and clearly not deeply involved in actively improving things like ... well, the stuff in this question.)

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    I said it before and I'll say it again: what about a junior/assistant mod as a way to get some help but not have to set the bar so high? – Hueco Jun 13 at 15:31
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Better visibility for the photo contest and better presentation of results. See Is the weekly featured image contest running as desired? from 2015 — it needed work then and nothing has happened. And the resulting image lost significant visibility in the site redesign.

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    My biggest issues with the photo contest are the terms under which anything is submitted here. It's pretty much carte blanche to SE to exploit those images however they wish, now and in the future. I've posted more than a few images here as examples, but I've always been very selective about what I'm willing to use due to the fact that I'm a) allowing SE whatever rights they wish to any images and b) restricting the ability to submit those images to any site where it might be used as stock due to the inability to grant exclusive use to an interested party. Thus only images that are... – Michael C Jun 13 at 7:38
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    ... not possible candidates for use as stock images are the ones I'll use here. But the kind of images that succeed in most photo contests, including the one here at Photo SE, tend to be the type of images that have potential in what little of the stock trade is left. – Michael C Jun 13 at 7:40
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    Michael's point also stands for photo critique. I'm in the same boat - more than happy to upload images, especially as teaching examples for the knowledge base...but I'd like for the copyright clause to change to limit the scope to the image only existing on SE through fair use and I can also go do whatever I like with my image. – Hueco Jun 13 at 15:45
  • @MichaelC Since it's CC-BY-SA, it's much, much stronger than giving just SE those permissions. – mattdm Jun 13 at 16:05
  • @mattdm But once it is CC-BY-Sa one can no longer grant exclusive rights to anyone else who may be interested in purchasing such. If stock keeps heading in the direction it has been going for the last few years, it won't in the end. No one wants to pay for images any more. – Michael C Jun 14 at 0:05
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If we don't use the contest to attract photograph-focused questions, we need some other way to attract subjective photo-critique questions and high-quality answers.

  • I'd like to see the community gather opinions and ideas around this. Members here know others who are not members yet that can influence and bring this kind of discussion and Q&A to the site. We need to encourage more networking amongst the community. – Juan M Jun 10 at 14:35
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    I'd like to see that too, but ... we literally have been talking about this for years: 2010, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2017, 2018 — and I'm sure there are more! – mattdm Jun 10 at 16:07
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A more visuals-forward front page — could we have thumbnails of images next to questions, for example?

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    I'd like to see a sort-by for q's with images. I prefer to answer these over hypothetical q's that straddle a close-as-unclear line. – Hueco Jun 13 at 15:42
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Possibly a sub-site for "what camera should I buy" and "what lens should I get next" questions. These are objectively "bad" questions for the site (opinion based, time sensitive, and invite brand flamewars), but they're also a key funnel for new users on most camera forums, and despite "Q&A is hard — let's go shopping", it seems like a natural fit for a Q&A format — leading to many potential new members with a very bad initial impression.

I suggest a sub-site because a tag isn't a strong enough separation and such questions could easily overwhelm everything we have.

  • We definitely need to have an area where these topics can be discussed freely. This is something we're looking at addressing very soon. – Juan M Jun 10 at 14:33
  • A possible solution would be to make some questions intentionally transient so that they vanish after a set period of time (effectively deleted). – xiota Jun 11 at 3:52
  • Can we have certain tags not show on the main page but limited to tag specific searches? Can they die after a time? Seems we could have a "what to buy" in 2018 where every other what to buy would close out and, in 2019, the old would die off and the new would take it's place...? – Hueco Jun 13 at 15:38
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Change the badge icons to something site-specific (see this that's just been sitting here with no designer attention at all) Let's change the Photo-SE badge icons to something specific to photography!

  • I really like this and in my ideal world, we'd have it already in place. Right now the overall direction for the network is to limit customization as it creates a backlog of work that we are not currently prepared to handle. – Juan M Jun 10 at 14:31
  • Only if gold badges are chosen from early lens/camera designs (Sutton pano, anyone?) – Hueco Jun 13 at 15:34
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Some site-specific badges that encourage photography-community behaviors? Posting images comes to mind as obvious. Also maybe badges could be given for the contest in some way.

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